Senate Bill 5332 will have Public Hearing in House

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Mar 22 Scheduled for public hearing in the House Committee on Health Care & Wellness at 9:00 AM

Health Care and Wellness Committee

Cody, Eileen (D)
303 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7978
Macri, Nicole (D)
Vice Chair
311 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7826
Schmick, Joe (R)
Ranking Minority Member
426B Legislative Building(360) 786-7844
Caldier, Michelle (R)
Assistant Ranking Minority Member
122H Legislative Building(360) 786-7802
Chambers, Kelly (R)426 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7948
Davis, Lauren (D)369 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7910
DeBolt, Richard (R)425A Legislative Building(360) 786-7896
Harris, Paul (R)426A Legislative Building(360) 786-7976
Jinkins, Laurie (D)320 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7930
Maycumber, Jacquelin (R)425B Legislative Building(360) 786-7908
Riccelli, Marcus (D)434A Legislative Building(360) 786-7888
Robinson, June (D)332 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7864
Stonier, Monica Jurado (D)331 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7872
Thai, My-Linh (D)424 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7926
Tharinger, Steve (D)314 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7904

Here is the Roll Call Vote in the Senate that passed the bill on to the House:

Roll Call
SB 5332
Vital statistics
3rd Reading & Final Passage
Yeas: 33 Nays: 15 Absent: 0 Excused: 1

Voting Yea: Senators Bailey, Billig, Braun, Carlyle, Cleveland, Conway, Darneille, Das, Dhingra, Frockt, Hasegawa, Hobbs, Hunt, Keiser, King, Kuderer, Liias, Lovelett, McCoy, Mullet, Nguyen, O`Ban, Palumbo, Pedersen, Randall, Rivers, Rolfes, Saldaña, Salomon, Takko, Walsh, Wellman, Wilson, C.

Voting Nay: Senators Becker, Brown, Ericksen, Fortunato, Hawkins, Holy, Honeyford, Padden, Schoesler, Sheldon, Short, Van De Wege, Warnick, Wilson, L., Zeiger

Substitute Senate Bill 5332 on Vital Records

The Senate passed the substitute bill and sent it to the house Health Care and Wellness Committee: Copy of the bill the house received. If you click on the names of the committee members it brings up their phone number and E-Mail address

Cody, Eileen (D)
303 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7978
Macri, Nicole (D)
Vice Chair
311 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7826
Schmick, Joe (R)
Ranking Minority Member
426B Legislative Building(360) 786-7844
Caldier, Michelle (R)
Assistant Ranking Minority Member
122H Legislative Building(360) 786-7802
Chambers, Kelly (R)426 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7948
Davis, Lauren (D)369 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7910
DeBolt, Richard (R)425A Legislative Building(360) 786-7896
Harris, Paul (R)426A Legislative Building(360) 786-7976
Jinkins, Laurie (D)320 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7930
Maycumber, Jacquelin (R)425B Legislative Building(360) 786-7908
Riccelli, Marcus (D)434A Legislative Building(360) 786-7888
Robinson, June (D)332 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7864
Stonier, Monica Jurado (D)331 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7872
Thai, My-Linh (D)424 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7926
Tharinger, Steve (D)314 John L. O’Brien Building(360) 786-7904

SENATE BILL REPORT ESSB 5332 As Passed Senate, March 4, 2019 Title: An act relating to vital statistics. Brief Description: Concerning vital statistics. Sponsors: Senate Committee on Law & Justice (originally sponsored by Senators Pedersen, Rivers, Wilson, C., Walsh, Randall, Cleveland and Liias; by request of Department of Health). Brief History: Committee Activity: Law & Justice: 1/31/19, 2/07/19 [DPS-WM, w/oRec]. Ways & Means: 2/19/19, 2/25/19 [DPS (LAW), w/oRec]. Floor Activity: Passed Senate: 3/04/19, 33-15. Brief Summary of Engrossed First Substitute Bill Ÿ Ÿ Ÿ Ÿ Limits access to certified copies of birth and death records to qualified applicants. Authorizes the Department of Health to amend specified vital records and transfer custody of them to the state archives. Updates references and definitions to reflect the Uniform Parentage Act and electronic registration. Allows the state archives to recover costs through its central services billing model. SENATE COMMITTEE ON LAW & JUSTICE Majority Report: That Substitute Senate Bill No. 5332 be substituted therefor, and the substitute bill do pass and be referred to Committee on Ways & Means. Signed by Senators Pedersen, Chair; Dhingra, Vice Chair; Kuderer and Salomon. Minority Report: That it be referred without recommendation. Signed by Senators Padden, Ranking Member; Holy and Wilson, L.. –––––––––––––––––––––– This analysis was prepared by non-partisan legislative staff for the use of legislative members in their deliberations. This analysis is not a part of the legislation nor does it constitute a statement of legislative intent. Senate Bill Report – 1 – ESSB 5332 Staff: Melissa Burke-Cain (786-7755) SENATE COMMITTEE ON WAYS & MEANS Majority Report: Do pass. Signed by Senators Rolfes, Chair; Frockt, Vice Chair, Operating, Capital Lead; Mullet, Capital Budget Cabinet; Braun, Ranking Member; Honeyford, Assistant Ranking Member, Capital; Billig, Carlyle, Conway, Darneille, Hasegawa, Hunt, Keiser, Liias, Palumbo, Pedersen, Rivers, Van De Wege, Wagoner, Warnick and Wilson, L.. Minority Report: That it be referred without recommendation. Signed by Senators Brown, Assistant Ranking Member, Operating; Bailey, Becker and Schoesler. Staff: Julie Murray (786-7711) Background: History of Recording Vital Statistics. Before 1900, maintaining vital records was a state and local responsibility. Before 1900, the United States Census Bureau developed the first standardized reporting form for vital statistics, known as the U.S. standard certificate of death. The census bureau recommended all local vital records registrars to adopt the form by 1900. By 1902, federal legislation directed the Census Bureau to collect copies of records filed in vital statistics offices of those states and cities having adequate death registration systems. Beginning in 1891, Washington State’s laws required each county to keep vital records. In 1907, the state assumed responsibility for collecting birth and death records. In 1968, the state assumed responsibility for collecting marriage and divorce records. Depending on the date of a vital record, the records may be located in different places. The Washington State Library, under the Office of the Secretary of State, maintains a web page to assist persons searching for genealogical records. Current Vital Statistics Program at the Department of Health. Washington’s Department of Health (DOH) collects and stores all reports of specific vital life events in the state. These vital life events are births, deaths, fetal deaths, marriages, marriage and domestic partnership dissolution’s, marriage and domestic partnership annulments, and legal separations. Under current law, DOH retains permanent custody of all vital records in its statewide vital records system. The state registrar of vital statistics oversees the system and is responsible for the system’s operations and integrity. The state registrar also develops uniform vital statistics reporting requirements and forms for local registrars across the state. Access to Birth and Death Records. Washington’s vital records certificates contain all the information required by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), including social security numbers. Under Washington’s current vital statistics law, the state Board of Health may require additional information in a confidential section of the birth certificate. The confidential section is not publicly available unless (1) a member of the public obtains a court order, or (2) the person who is the birth Senate Bill Report – 2 – ESSB 5332 certificate’s subject, where it is limited to the information about the child, but not the child’s parents. The state has both a long form and a short form death certificate. The short form death certificate and informational copies of death certificates are not publicly available. DOH releases the long form death certificate to anyone who has the decedent’s name, date and county of death. The long form includes such information as the decedent’s social security number, residence and address, marital status and spouse, cause and manner of death. DOH sends a monthly death index to the state archives. The death index contains the decedent’s full name, county of death, county of residence, sex, age, and date of death. DOH sends its vital statistics data to NCHS. Contracts between NCHS and each jurisdiction’s vital records office set mutual responsibilities, uniform standards and procedures for reporting vital statistics. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Model Vital Statistics Act. NCHS operates and maintains the national vital statistics system as the official source for national vital statistics data. NCHS compiles, analyzes, and disseminates vital statistics from all 50 states, New York City, the District of Columbia, and five United States territories. NCHS provides data on health indicators to support public health policy work at the national, state, and local levels. For example, the system provides data on risk factors for adverse pregnancy outcomes, life expectancy, and leading causes of death. NCHS develops a model state vital statistics law and regulations to promote uniformity among the states in the definitions, registration practices, data disclosure, and other functions of state vital statistics systems. The federal government developed its first model act in 1907 and produced revised versions in 1941, 1959, 1977, and 1992. NCHS proposed its most recent version in 2011. The National Association for Public Health Statistics and Information Systems endorsed the 2011 model act. NCHS’s purpose in developing its 2011 version is to address system security, the electronic information environment, continuity of operations planning, data confidentiality and disclosure, and changes to the scope of vital statistics data, for example assisted reproduction and same-sex marriage. The 2011 NCHS model state vital statistics law provided the framework for this proposed vital statistics bill. Summary of Engrossed First Substitute Bill: DOH may only release a certified death certificate to a qualified applicant. Qualified applicants include the decedent’s spouse or domestic partner, child, parent, stepparent, stepchild, sibling, grandparent, great grandparent grandchild, legal guardian immediately prior to death, legal representative, authorized representative with a notarized statement from a qualified applicant, next of kin, funeral director within 12 months of the date of death, or a government agency or court for its official duties. A short form death certificate does not display information related to cause and manner of death. The DOH may release a short form certificate to a qualified applicant. Additionally, DOH may release a short form certificate to a title insurer or title insurance agent handling a real property transaction involving the decedent, or a person who shows the short form is necessary for a determination related to the death or the protection of a personal or property right related to the death. DOH may only release a birth certificate to the subject of the record or the subject’s spouse or domestic partner, child, parent, stepparent, stepchild, sibling, grandparent, great grandparent, Senate Bill Report – 3 – ESSB 5332 grandchild, legal guardian, legal or authorized representative, or a government agency or court for official duties. Informational copies of vital records are available to the public. Informational copies only contain the information allowed by rule. Informational copies are derived from the original document but cannot be used for legal purposes. Access to vital records is not governed by the Public Records Act, but is governed under this vital records chapter in the RCW. DOH is authorized to investigate fraud including periodic testing and auditing of the vital records system to detect fraud. The DOH will provide adjudicative proceedings for certain adverse actions. The state registrar must transfer custody of records to the state archives. The transfer applies to: Ÿ Ÿ Ÿ birth records, 100 years after the birth date; death records, 25 years after the death date; and marriage, divorce, dissolution of marriage or domestic partnership, declaration of invalidity of marriage or domestic partnership, or legal separation, 25 years after the event. The state archives may provide noncertified copies of original vital records in its custody to the public. The state archives may charge for the cost of operating the state archives through the central services billing model. Sealed records must remain sealed and in DOH custody. DOH may retain records for the purpose of providing certified copies. Appropriation: None. Fiscal Note: Available. Creates Committee/Commission/Task Force that includes Legislative members: No. Effective Date: The bill contains several effective dates. Please refer to the bill. Staff Summary of Public Testimony on Original Bill (Law & Justice): The committee recommended a different version of the bill than what was heard. PRO: The coroners need this bill because it provides a fee increase for death investigation accounts. Because of the limited funding we have for training medical examiners, coroners, and their staff the forensic investigation council has not been able to update its training curriculum since the 1990s. The training no longer meets national accreditation standards. The autopsy costs and laboratory fees including those for toxicology laboratories are all increasing. The coroners’ and medical examiners’ want to achieve the goal that all the work is done by qualified, accredited professionals. The fee increase is important for rural counties. Our investigators must have regular continuing education to maintain their accreditations. Right now only 40 percent of staff attend the continuing education training. The state association and counties have a limited capacity for training. The fee increase will allow more staff members to become certified or retain certification. We need to update the training so that the staff members we train are qualified to go out on death investigations on their own. No one is ready to go out alone after they finish the training now. Because our work is not always part of a criminal Senate Bill Report – 4 – ESSB 5332 investigation our laboratory specimens are sent to the state toxicology tab. In one case our office has been waiting a long time for toxicology results. Because of the delayed results the surviving family cannot go forward to obtain the death benefits the family is entitled to receive. This bill modernizes the state law. The state vital records system is fully electronic. The bill gives DOH authority to support a fully electronic system including fraud protection activities. Fraud prevention includes limiting certified records to persons who have legal relationships with the record’s subject. The bill allows for informational copies of birth records and death records to remain publicly available as they are now, except for the cause of death. The purpose of the change is to protect certified copies from misuse. DOH will still provide annual indices to the archives, and to private institutions and other agencies. We intend to provide informational copies of death, marriage and divorce records. DOH has worked on this bill for four to five years. The rulemaking authority is broad, but necessary because there is a lot of detail that goes into rule. DOH will follow the public rulemaking requirements. From the counties’ viewpoint this update to the law is long overdue. King County is the busiest local vital records office in the state. Even though records may be obtained on line there is still a strong demand for in-person, same day certified copies so that persons may apply for social security, enroll in school, or obtain passports. The vital records, such as the certified birth certificate, are still the base document for proving identity. The local fee increase in the bill will improve service delivery and help monitor drug overdose deaths in real time. This bill is the result of longstanding stakeholder discussions. The bill provides for bifurcation of certified versus informational copies; this change is long overdue. With the certified copies people can, and do, create false identities. From the media’s perspective we understand the family sensitivity to having the cause of death publicly available. As media, we would prefer it if the cause of death would be available, but a balance needs to be made between privacy and availability and we understand that. CON: I have taken classes on genealogical research. As a member of the genealogical societies, I am able to put the skills to use right away while working on family genealogy because everyone has a family. We need access to death records to better understand our family’s story. The bill does not address on line access to records. I have family in Oklahoma who want to work on our genealogy. Online access is very important and should be available at remote sites; not everyone is able to travel to Olympia to research family genealogy. Genetic genealogists have an important role in identifying genetic issues in families. Families want to know about these potential issues so that they are able to identify medical investigations that may prevent a disease or allow someone to recognize a disease at an early time. OTHER: On behalf of the many professional and hobby genealogists across the state, access to vital records is very important to our genealogy work. Our organization supports open records, but we understand the bill attempts to address the genealogists’ needs. Our concern is that the definition of qualified applicant in the bill is too narrow. We would like to see other relatives included who are not direct line family members such as step children, half children, and first cousins. The problem we see with the informational copy of the death certificate is without the cause of death information, the certificate is not as useful for forensic and genetic genealogists. I hope that we can work to resolve these concerns. Persons Testifying (Law & Justice): PRO: Senator Jamie Pedersen, Prime Sponsor; Dr. Timothy Davidson, Cowlitz County Coroner and Washington Association of Coroners and Senate Bill Report – 5 – ESSB 5332 Medical Examiners (WACME) President; Warren McLeod, Lewis County Coroner; Dan Blasdel, WACME; Tesia Forbes, King County; Jean Remsbecker, DOH/State Registrar; Rowland Thompson, Allied Daily Newspapers of Washington. CON: Diane Huckabay, citizen. OTHER: Virginia Majewski, Washington State Genealogical Society. Persons Signed In To Testify But Not Testifying (Law & Justice): No one. Staff Summary of Public Testimony on First Substitute (Ways & Means): PRO: We largely resolved the concerns from the genealogy community in the substitute bill, but there are still some with concerns. The basic purpose of the bill is to modernize the vital records statute. It has been many years since it was updated; things have gotten badly out of date and out of sync with other statutes, particularly family law. People will still have access to birth and death information. However, not everyone with a name, day of death, and county of death will not be able to access certified copies of death certificates. They will get access the informational copies, which carry a significant amount of information, but not a certified copy for legal purposes. Unrestricted access to certified copies creates a greater possibility that someone could steal your identity. I support section 24 to include a $3 fee increase, which is much needed by the county coroners and medical examiner’s offices statewide. Basic training for coroners has not been updated since the early 1990’s and no longer meets the national accreditation standards. We need more persons trained; we need to use expensive private labs due to the backlog. Timely death investigations are crucial to surviving family members awaiting the results of investigations to access to insurance funds or other survivor benefits. Persons Testifying (Ways & Means): PRO: Senator Jamie Pedersen, Prime Sponsor; Warren McLeod, Lewis County Coroner and Washington Association of Coroners and Medical Examiners. Persons Signed In To Testify But Not Testifying (Ways & Means): No one. Senate Bill Report – 6 – ESSB 5332

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Senate Bill 5332 Closing Vital Records Executive Session

The Senate Ways and Means Committee will hold an executive session on Monday February 25 at 1:30. Live stream click here or watch on TVW. It is second on the list of bills in this session so should get done fairly soon after 1:30 pm.

Well it took the all of a minute for the Ways And Means Committee to pass this on to the Rules Committee for scheduling the Second Reading to the whole Senate.

Senate Ways and Means Committee Public Hearing Closing Vital Records Bill 5332

At 3:30 today was the public hearing in the Senate Ways and Means committee. TVW Archive here: Bill number 5332 starts at 1:20. Only one person testifying in favor of the bill, a coroner that wants the increased fee for certified certificates. The Health department issues 500,000 certificates a year so local governments will get about $1,000,000 more in income from their $2 increase in fees. The other $3 goes to the state for their state crime lab. They still say genealogist have agreed to the informational death certificates without a cause of death.

I don’t really care about the increase in the fee for a certified copy, nor the removal of the social security number if the certificate has that, I want a true copy of the record I am looking for.

Senate Ways & Means Schedules Public Hearing on Closing Vital Records SB 5332

There will be a public hearing on Senate bill 5332 February 19 at 3:30 pm

Members of Senate Ways & Means Committee

Rolfes, Christine (D)
303 John A. Cherberg Building(360) 786-7644
Frockt, David (D)
Vice Chair, Operating, Capital Lead
224 John A. Cherberg Building(360) 786-7690
Mullet, Mark (D)
Capital Budget Cabinet
415 Legislative Building(360) 786-7608
Braun, John (R)
Ranking Member
403A Legislative Building(360) 786-7638
Brown, Sharon (R)
Assistant Ranking Member, Operating
202 Irv Newhouse Building(360) 786-7614
Honeyford, Jim (R)
Assistant Ranking Member, Capital
112 Irv Newhouse Building(360) 786-7684
Bailey, Barbara (R)203 Irv Newhouse Building(360) 786-7618
Becker, Randi (R)316 Legislative Building(360) 786-7602
Billig, Andy (D)307 Legislative Building(360) 786-7604
Carlyle, Reuven (D)233 John A. Cherberg Building(360) 786-7670
Conway, Steve (D)241 John A. Cherberg Building(360) 786-7656
Darneille, Jeannie (D)237 John A. Cherberg Building(360) 786-7652
Hasegawa, Bob (D)223 John A. Cherberg Building(360) 786-7616
Hunt, Sam (D)405 Legislative Building(360) 786-7642
Keiser, Karen (D)219 John A. Cherberg Building(360) 786-7664
Liias, Marko (D)309 Legislative Building(360) 786-7640
Palumbo, Guy (D)402 Legislative Building(360) 786-7600
Pedersen, Jamie (D)235 John A. Cherberg Building(360) 786-7628
Rivers, Ann (R)204 Irv Newhouse Building(360) 786-7634
Schoesler, Mark (R)314 Legislative Building(360) 786-7620
Van De Wege, Kevin (D)212 John A. Cherberg Building(360) 786-7646
Wagoner, Keith (R)109A Irv Newhouse Building(360) 786-7676
Warnick, Judy (R)103 Irv Newhouse Building(360) 786-7624
Wilson, Lynda (R)110 Irv Newhouse Building(360) 786-7632

Substitute Bill 5332 On Closing Vital Records

On February 7, 2019 The Senate Law and Justice Committee offered up this substitute bill: Click Here for the whole bill.

The substitute bill still locks birth records for 100 years, and death, marriage and divorce records for 25 years. Informational death certificates will NOT have a cause of death.

Certified copies will be $25, informational copies will be $13. Multiple copies have their own costs.

In the hearing today they asked if genealogists approve of the changes in the substitute bill. It was then voted on and the 4 democrats voted yes, and the 3 republicans voted no. Minority position to not support the bill. There is no date set yet for the full senate to vote on the substitute bill, so contact your senator to let hem know if you agree with the substitute bill or to vote against the substitute bill. Click here to send your thoughts to your senator.

Closing of Washington Vital Records House Bill 1550

The companion bill to the Senate Bill 5332 on closing vital records is House Bill # 1550. The house has had the first reading of that bill and it does not have a scheduled date for public hearing. If you hit on comments and fill in your address it will bring up your representative and you can send him a comment on the bill.

House Bill 1550

Health Care and Wellness Committee members. I did not find their E-Mails, Sorry

Cody, Eileen (D) Chair 303 John L. O’Brien Building (360) 786-7978
Macri, Nicole (D) V Chair311 John L. O’Brien Building (360) 786-7826
Schmick, Joe (R)Minority Member 426B Legislative Building (360) 786-7844
Caldier, Michelle(R)AsstMinority Member122H Legislative Building(360) 786-7802
Chambers, Kelly (R) 426 John L. O’Brien Building (360) 786-7948
Davis, Lauren (D) 369 John L. O’Brien Building (360) 786-7910
DeBolt, Richard (R) 425A Legislative Building (360) 786-7896
Harris, Paul (R) 426A Legislative Building (360) 786-7976
Jinkins, Laurie (D) 320 John L. O’Brien Building (360) 786-7930
Maycumber, Jacquelin (R)425B Legislative Building (360) 786-7908
Riccelli, Marcus (D) 434A Legislative Building (360) 786-7888
Robinson, June (D) 332 John L. O’Brien Building (360) 786-7864
Stonier, Monica Jurado(D)331 John L. O’Brien Building (360) 786-7872
Thai, My-Linh (D) 424 John L. O’Brien Building (360) 786-7926
Tharinger, Steve (D) 314 John L. O’Brien Building (360) 786-7904

Followup to Closing Washington Vital Records

First I want to thank everyone that had responded to the blog post last week that told of the proposed bill from the Washington State Health Department to close Washington state birth records for 100 years, and death, marriage and divorce records for 50 years. January 31st was the public hearing in the Washington State Senate Law and Justice Committee, here is the link to the bill number 5332 It also has a schedule for the next round which is the executive meeting for the committee where they can decide to amend the, kill the bill or pass it on to the full senate for a vote. The link above gives the times of the next hearing and a link to where you can watch the hearing either on TVW a on a Washington cable tv or the link to the live streaming of the hearing.

If you want to contact the members of the committee and let them know how crucial access to these records (and their indexes) are to us as genealogists, you can write them here:

Chairman: Pederson, Jamie (D)
Vice chair: Dhingra, Manka (D)
Ranking member: Padden, Mike (R)
Holy, Jeff (R)
Kuderer, Patty (D)
Salomon, Jesse (D)
Wilson, Lynda (R)
Staff Coordinator: Ford, Tim

The main reason the Health Department gave for locking up the records is identity theft, which has been proven does not happen from vital records being open. In the hearing five people spoke in favor of the bill since they would receive $3 more for each certified birth and death certificate they issued and all five said that they were loosing money issuing those certificates at $20 and so the extra $3 would be very welcome. Washington State Genealogical Society spoke on leaving the records open and if closed to make sure the informational copies of death certificates will have the cause of death. The health department said many people had asked that the cause of death not be shown on informational copies. The health department also said they were going to keep the indexes open and continue to send copies to the state archives to post online. Last person to testify was a lobbyist for the newspapers and he said that they usually did not use death certificates for cause of deaths that they would cover in a newspaper. If they covered a death they went right to the coroner or medical examiner for the cause of death. He also said if the cause of death was from cancer or some other hereditary disease that the cause of death should be on informational copies.

Notice not one person testifying said anything about how this proposed bill is needed to stop identity theft or how it is supposed to stop identity theft that comes from other sources.

The original blog post had 798 page views from I think every state in the United States, and 425 cities. One from Dublin Ireland and Melbourne Australia. We had 604 referrals from Facebook. On January 29th we had 313 page views on this one blog post. More than we usually get in a whole week on all our blog posts.